About the Sallie House Story

Written by Debra Pickman504

The Sallie House story is in a class by itself. There have been full-bodied apparitions and objects flying through the air. Items have moved, been misplaced or lost only to reappear or show up later or at another location. Phantom furniture has been heard along with thumps, thuds, knocks, scratching, and the sounds of animals and disembodied human voices.

Although some have been heard with the naked ear, there have been an amazing amount of EVP (Electronic Voice Phenomena) captured, further depicting the voices of men, women and children. Many have experienced extreme smells.

Lastly, and most famously, there has been physical harm to the occupants and investigators in the form of scratches, burns and cuts. Although the majority of these attacks have often been centered on Tony Pickman, there have been a few others who have also been the focus of the physical harassment.

Sighting avitarInvestigations into this Sallie House story continue, but it was initially investigated by the television show Sightings back when Tony and Debra Pickman lived there with their newborn son in 1993. Numerous psychics have entered the picture in order to help along the way, including Barbara Connor and the world-renowned Peter James who has worked on the haunting of the Queen Mary for many years.

Paramount Pictures, the Travel Channel, KQ2 News out of St. Joseph, Missouri, Channel 4 News out of Kansas City, Kansas, the Discovery Channel and the Biography Channel have all been involved in documenting this story since 1993.

Some believe that what exists in the house is evil. Some believe that the entities within the house are reaching out and in need of our help. Some believe that Tony is doing it all himself (which doesn’t seem like a viable assessment when the activity continues without his presence). Some believe there is much more going on there than we can imagine, and yet others think it has all been a hoax.

A multitude of monitoring equipment has been utilized to help determine what is causing the strange occurrences in this small little house on the bluffs of the Missouri River. The equipment includes, but is in no way limited to digital and analog voice recorders, infrared and heat sensitive video cameras, electromagnetic meters, environmental meters and more.

Many investigative groups have used dousing rods, crystals, and pendulums. Some have tried to set up controlled ESP situations to experiment with more possibilities. The Sallie house story Darke Hauntings teamSince the activity seems to be constant, some groups dedicated to learning more about the paranormal have used the house as an experimental laboratory.

They have obtained some remarkable evidence, not only expanding on the history of the house but also furthering the study of paranormal activity.

What started out as the simple haunting of one little girl named Sallie has developed into a growing list. Some think that over the years more entities have come too resided with the walls of these houses. Do they just visit, do they call the place home, or has it become a doorway to the other side where the spirits we encounter move on after their visit?

The commonality, or lack of commonality, of all the investigators involved or associated with this house is that we are all curious about the who, what, and why of the house and its occupants. Basically, what os the Sallie House story?

Who is there, when did they live, what do they want, why have they stayed behind, is there something they need to share with us, and what would that be? How is it that spirits or ghosts are able to move objects, show us their likenesses, and speak to us? These are just some of the questions that come to mind and to which we all seek answers.

Most of the human race has an innate human curiosity about events we cannot explain. The scientific and logical principles currently being employed have not yet been able to explain many of the nuance’s attached to hauntings, and all paranormal investigators have an overwhelming desire to do just that.

We study them to understand these events. Each investigation gets us closer to the truth and it’s in the sharing evidence and theories of all those who are interested or involved, that we learn more about this and other hauntings.

Pickmans 2005 The Sallie house storyFor the reasons stated above, this site was Co-Founded and supported by Tony and Debra Pickman and Renae Leiker. We take pride in knowing that this website will provide the best resource for the Sallie House story and factual representation of the events, activities and experiences that this haunting, known by many, has provided.

It is also why we ask for your help, your input and your open-mindedness. We want you, the public, to have firsthand knowledge, up to the minute details and a hand in the ongoing research to further investigate and understand this case.

At times the information provided, may not make sense, seem extreme or even fabricated, but we will stand by the factual nature of the experiences we have had and will openly continue to share with our members, the Sallie House story.

Although Tony and I have never owned the house and have not lived in the house since October of 1994, we continue to meet with others who have an interest in our experience and evidence. Up until 2007, Renae, Tony and I continued to investigate the house. We continue to work hard to make available, the experiences of others and the details of their investigations.

Our ability to validate the factual representation of their claims however stops when third party information is offered. There is simply no way to validate the work of those you don’t know without being a part of each group, knowing their standards of practicing concerning an investigation, or knowing the intentions and integrity of each group and its members.

The details on third party investigations are provided within our website simply as a courtesy to interested parties and other investigative groups, and as such to the visitors of this website as we hope to provide as much of the available information as possible.

We hope you will join us in our collective efforts to continuously work to provide the most factual and authoritative information on the Sallie House story.


About Debra Pickman

After living in an extremely haunted location with my husband who was physically and mentally brutalized by an unseen force my husband and I became experienced investigators applying our knowledge to other locations. We continue to speak at events, conferences and on radio shows around the world. Contact me at Debra@TheSallieHouse.com


  1. I personally had never heard of the Sallie house until I was watching Ghost Adventures on HULU the others night. It was bone chilling to watch to say the least. I wondered though if the psychic that went in with the team had any other information for you all besides what was showed. It just seemed she had an intense connection with the presence. Seems you and Tony have really pulled past the experience but I find it amazing that you all still reach out to educate people on this. That’s really commendable especially in a society where people can be so hateful.

    • Hi Carolyn,
      Yes it did seem she had a connection with the some of spirits in the house but she didn’t really have more to offer than we already knew. Now with that said, she also didn’t have a lot of time to spend in the house. I also believe it was a bit more overwhelming than she expected. She was rather young and they did not tell her where she would be going, so she had no idea what she was getting into.

      A big thank you for your kind words as well. We hope no one ever feels as disconnected and alone as we did when we lived in that house. It is the reason we try so hard to make ourselves available to those who need it.


  2. I been fascinated by this house since Sightings in 93. I watch Live Scifi every time he livestreams there. He always get new supprises there. 🙂

    • Hi Mike,

      You have followed us from the beginning! We moved in in December of 1992 and 1993 was when we first made our situation publicly known. It’s hard to believe its 25 years ago!


  3. It might be a good idea to call Amy Allen of the Dead Files. Unlike other investigators, she is a medium and can give direction on what is going on, communicating with the spirits and how to deal with them. So far, I think she is very different from other groups who are often hobbyists who do not know what they are doing. Additionally Amy Allen often includes different spiritual guidance to assist (shaman, catholic priest, other types of mediums).

    • Hello Elaine,

      Amy was brought in on an investigation many years ago(after we moved out). She gave us a lot of insight as to what was going on. Save it to say it’s NOT a good place.


  4. Debra and Toni,some people call me a history buff because I like to find out and doing research on any location that I am most interested in.The one location that caught my attention is the Sallie House and the history of it was very tragic and shocking.
    I also learned about the people that lived and died in the house.While I was watching Ghost Adventures, one thing that they said was that there was a ritual that was held in the basement and the crew was experiencing paranormal activity in the basement of the house.
    This is one of the homes that I would like to do research on
    My name is Jeaneth Larsen

    • Jeanneth, I wish you luck in your research. I have some that has been done by myself and others and will be adding it to the site as I continue to rebuild our original site.


  5. I have seen the story of your experiences many times on many different accounts throughout television and have read much about the particular location on which you’ve had your experiences.I am amazed and delighted to know that you have become investigators.I have no questions;I have but only a statement.I pray for you all everyday just as I pray for everyone that I know.I experience all types of things myself but seeing as I am hyper-sensitive,I stay away from investigating.Many people have looked at me strangely based upon my explaining that their home has negative or at times positive entities or simply one entity,yet I pray and keep praying. So in closing I am delighted also to even be able to contact you and let you know that there is a woman in New Jersey that hopes that you’ve found answers during your investigations.Thank you and God bless you all.

    • Hello Tara,

      I thank you for your tremendous words of support and kindness. We investigated that house for several years after we left it, but it began manipulating us, so we stopped and focused our energy on investigating and helping others.

      Many who are sensitive are targets for the spirit world; hell you don’t even need to be in a haunted location- just walking through Walmart could put you at risk to encounter spirits, so I completely understand why you don’t investigate.

      Thank you for your generously given prayers.


  6. Angela Huckauff-Schirmer

    Watched the Ghost Adventures episode which featured the Sallie House tonight…(in Australia) and wondered why nobody thought to (a) get the house cleansed (b) get a priest or other qualified persons to remove the demon from the the premises (c) brick up the hole in the basement which was serving as a portal.
    I admire your courage in returning to the house….
    Cheers Angela

    • Hi Angela,

      We did actually get a Shaman in to clear the place with God’s blessings and prayer. It was also binded a few time by various groups or individuals. Unfortunately when people go in after that , they undo that work.

      Thank you for your words and concern.


  7. It’s a very famous and impressive case.It seems that in America there are so many haunted places.In France (in Paris), we have a few public apartments that Town Hall refuse to rent because of horrific hauntings leading to suicide cases ( in square La Bruyère for example).Another wonderful case very, very well documented is the haunting of a castle in Calvados (château Le Tourneur) in the 1870’s.
    Sorry for my english and thank you for this story.

    • Hello Derik,

      No apologies for your English, it’s perfectly fine as I understood exactly what you wrote.I have seen that England has some great cases too.

      Thank you for leaving your comment.


  8. This is wack I heard about this

  9. I watch this on paranormal witness it was crazy

  10. I cannot begin to explain how I feel right now. It may just be “coincidental”, but my husband and I have been having issues in our marriage ever since stopping by to “see” the Sallie House.
    Our relationship literally was perfect, until December 2014, instantly in love and inseparable. We had gone on an adventure with my kids, my brother, and his wife. On our way home we decided to swing by and check out the house since we were in town. We took a picture infront of the house and walked around in the yard and peeked in the windows. I felt very nervous the entire time. Until today, I never gave the house or the nervous feeling another thought.
    I was cuddling with my hubby in bed drifting off to sleep last night when I heard a TV show talking about the Sallie House. I sat straight up and tried to rewind the show but couldn’t because it just aired(stupid cable company). So tonight I found it and watched it. It was literally the first time I had ever seen anything about it on TV. I am shocked, saddened,and freaking out that something we came in contact with is trying to drive us apart and is succeeding. Like it followed us home. Oh my. I can’t believe this, I am scared.
    Another “coincidence”, I met a Catholic priest today at work. Is this all just coincidental ? I don’t even know why I’m typing this….how is it going to help? Ugh…..
    I guess it’s church for me now every Sunday and really paying attention now to anymore “coincidents” that may surface.
    Jesus help me and bless you and yours.

    • Hello Ashley,

      I am so sorry for what you have been dealing with, and years ago I would have said that blaming the house for what seems to be natural everyday events and problems , was ludicrous. For the last several years I believe very differently. There have been way too many coincidences, way too many couples and paranormal groups that split up etc…

      I am assuming that since you mentioned going to church you are a religious person. Wit that said, I can’t emphasize enough, how valuable your belief and strength in God is as a tool and weapon against the unseen evil forces around us. It is what got Tony and I out of the house safely and what continues to protect us to this day.

      Evil, or a demonic energy/force has one purpose, and that is to destroy and goodness. It can creep in slowly so as not to be easily detected and wreck havoc at will. Tony and I are not heavy church goers, but we do believe in and praise God in our everyday life. We are not holey “rollers”, but we know that our relationship with God is important. We have each been apart of what can only be seen as miracles and of which has made our belief even stronger.

      Is your husband religious as well? I ask this because it will take the two of you to overcome this. You need to ask God to help you fight this evil and keep you, your family, your house and you vehicles protected from it. You can get through this, Tony and I are living proof and I am glad you reached out. I believe that is why you saw the TV show on the Sallie House. I would also go as far as to say that meeting a Catholic priest was also a sign of the help that is available to you. You are not alone in this!

      I don’t want you to dwell on any negative energy or activity in the home or relationship. That will only fuel and strengthen it. Just matter-of-factly acknowledge that there is negativity and move on with daily life. Say a prayer, do something that makes you laugh or something you enjoy.

      With that said, I will send you via email, some prayers of protection. Be sure you find one to your liking and say it daily of not morning and nite. I also want to share with you a new group that Tony and I started and the Facebook page Survivors of the Dark. There you can post questions, read what others experience have been in demonic haunting and get in touch with us personally thru that page.

      So, for now just know you are not alone. I am so very glad you reached out and so sorry for what you are going through. Please look for an email from me with the heading Prayers. If you don’t get it, please don’t hesitate to let me know.


      • Can I ask a question,
        Did you ever think that Sallie was a demon of some kind before you found out that you and your husband needed to leave the house?
        And did anybody else lived in that house after you left?

        • Gabriel, had we ever thought we were dealing with a demon, we would have left the house much earlier than we did. To your second question, yes, there was another family that lived in the house after we left. They claimed no activity and they were evicted by the landlord.


  11. Hello Debra and Tony,
    I first became aware of the Sallie House on the Ghost Adventures episode. Also recently I found a documentary filmed there (in 2012 via a live broadcast). I’ve been watching Ghost Adventures shows and several others with a curious mind since I have precognitive dreams I feel are messages from a higher plane. I don’t really consider this ability a gift. It’s depressing to say the least. So my question for you and Tony is: why do you continue to talk about and investigate this entity when we know it is demonic?

    • Hello Jan,

      Thanks for stopping in. Tony and I have NOT investigated the house since august 2007. It was a surprise to me that Tony wanted to go back into the house when the Ghost Adventures crew were here. When I asked Tony about it afterwards, he replied that he just felt it was something he had to do. To let the house and the entities there know they hadn’t beaten him.

      I hope that answers your question. It’s all I got from him.


  12. Awesome website! I did loads of research on the Sallie house and even watched episodes of where paranoral investigators investigate the house and such. But i still have one question, Is the hauntings caused by Sallie herself? Or her mother?

    In my opinion, i think its Sallie herself lol idkw but i just think its Sallie herself. There are theories on how she died but i thnk she died in the hospital by her doctor, and i heard that she ated him and hated the tools that he had, so she’s causing harm to Toby for revenge cuz of the male doctor, likewise she hates all men. But this is a theory lol wish we can ask questions to her directly but i cnt im only 16..

    • The haunting is caused by neither. There is a seriously dark presence in the house, that many investigators feel is inhuman.

      Salie was simply a facade for the dark entity in the house to hide behind; a mask. It did this so it could gain the acceptance on us, so that it could draw us and our energy in. Then to wreck havoc on us. It’s what a demon does.


      • OMG Really? So its not Sallie damn, so remember when your husband saw the Sallie himself in the kitchen in 1993 was that a manifestation of the demon pretending to be a little girl??? I’m still confused about that and what about the psychics that went to ur home, i heard one of them said that they felt the presence of a young girl….

  13. What a chilling account of experiences. Physical harm? Yikes! Thanks for presenting so much information; it’s all very compelling.

  14. Hey Debra

    You have a wonderful website on the sallie house haunting here!

    I have always been intrigued by super natural and haunting’s… It is something that some how seems to randomly creep back into my life and thoughts from time to time without asking for it.

    Possibly something trying to tell me something 😉

    It’s nice to hear Tony and your first hand experiences and know that it’s not just someone that speaking from what they have heard about the house… I am looking forward to reading more on your website.

    lol… couldn’t wait… Your demonic forces exposed post is insane! I want to be there to experience what you are referring to… but at the same time I DON’T… I would have been scared #$^%&^&*

    Awesome website… I am glad I found it.

    Are you planning to add any of your audio files /video clips?

    Chat soon… Stay safe!


    Marc Parsons

    • Hi Marc,

      I wouldn’t wish the experiences my husband has been through on anyone, in fact we try to warn people away from the location.

      During this re-organization and switch to a new server, I hope to get everything from the old site onto this one and then some. That includes over 100 Audio files and radio interviews, more that 240 photos and even some of the articles from the sites forum. It’s just going to take me a bit of time. I will surely have some new information each week (aiming for every few days), so stay turned for a wild ride.

      Thanks for stopping in and sharing. Hope to see you again soon.

  15. This is pretty creepy! I’ve seen a few videos on youtube about pranks played on photographers who go and take pictures inside old ‘haunted’ houses, and even just those are scary enough. I’ve never actually imagined that a house could be haunted for real… will be watching closely to see what kind of stories about the Sallie house emerge on this site!

    • Hi Jolie,

      As much information that is out there, it’s hard to think that people don’t know about the house, but it happens all the time. Stay tuned, there’s a lot more coming.


  16. hi Debra and Tony!
    What a cool idea for a site! I used to be a big fan of Ghost Hunters and found it just fascinating as to what they could find using EVP. The voices we could hear, it was goosebumps inducing! I do believe that there are entities around us. And that sometimes we can feel them. We might just not be able to see them. but this Sallie house seems to be somewhat a mystery as the experiences vary. I will be curious to hear what your experience was like when you lived in it.

    • Hi Emily,

      I am working hard to get everything moved over to the new hosting server, the manual method is never easy. At least I don’t have to completely rewrite everything. If ou can’t wait and want an inside view of our experiences you can always by my book.


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